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I was recently talking to a good friend of mine in the mechanics field about opening up a performance shop but he said due to OBDIII he doesnt think it would be a long term good idea. which is a very good point, lets take a look at OBDIII.

when you think of OBDIII your probably thinking of just another type of diagnostic tool. but its much worse, the major car companies are planning on taking control of their cars. most cars these days have black boxes and alot also have satelite connections like onstar. now merge these two together and you have all the makings of big brothers car. this new OBDIII will not be able to be used by anyone but dealers. that means if you take your new OBDIII car to your local mechanic or local mieneke they wont be able to do anything for you, they wont even be able to put anything on your car. do you feel like putting on an exhaust? you cant, OBDIII will sense it and throw a code if not shut off your car. smog control can be controlled by satellite by the manufacturer. Oil changes, time for inspection, illegal use of the car, they will know and they will let you know they know.

So why do this? well it actually makes alot of sense. people go out and mod their car and end up fucking something up and putting it back to stock and returning it to the dealer. As of right now the dealers take a huge hit on warranty repairs, which is why they refuse everything they can. they are quick to point out ANYTHING that looks like it was changed so they can void your warranty and leave you :homework: If you think about it, this way you cant claim you didnt do anything because they will have the electronic proof something was done to your car and they can even FINE YOU for modifications you make to the car! thats bullshit you say? nope, its actually pretty sensible. In court the argument goes against the car makers saying eventually it will put most self owned repair shops out of business, however the fact that the manufacturers can garuntee the cars to stay UNmodded and also be able to provide a cop pulling you over with your exact speed in an instant as well as being able to dissable your car at the flip of a switch really gives OBDIII the upper hand in the courts.

The car manufacturers are offering a better and more secure driving system for the Department of Transportation. and if you ask my it sounds like they are gonna win.

what do you guys think?
 

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Gayest thing I've ever heard. I'll never buy a new car if this is true.
 

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Well its a constant battle between the aftermarket and the manufacturers, I dont think SEMA will ever allow this to pass through without some sort of huge protest. But its not just the manufacturers right? The States want this cause it sounds like it really controls the emissions which will be a plus for them come inspection time.

Jesse James said it best, hed rather have a car not run by a computer at all, he would always rather drive something carbeurated (sp)
 

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well the scary thing is how controlled it is and how much the gov would love it. can you imagine being pulled over and the cop runs your plate and he gets an immediate satelite feed on the speed you were just going? not to mention if you put an exhaust or intake on and you get a warning from the dealer to bring the car in. i agree with mach, i wouldnt buy one of these cars, but these are being pushed by ALL car manufacturers........ and its not just gonna be for a few years, once it passes, its gonna be standard.
 

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Hmm time to buy a couple of Neons and stash them in the garage.. But this is the same thing I heard when ODBI & II came out as well. But with stuff like OnStar yeah it could happen. To paraphrase Ben Franklin giving up your freedom for security will give you none.
 

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Whatever we're all being watched now anyways :paranoid:
 

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Whatever we're all being watched now anyways :paranoid:
Tell me about it!! (see's the black helicopters overhead).. Where I work we have UCS, DHS, and FBI offices in the building.. Bombsniffing dogs running about. Though I think they are drugsniffing dogs out to get my smoek..

Talk about paranoid....

http://owlfarm.dyndns.org/~tmfu/BombScare07152004/index.htm
 

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the government sucks. they love to interfere in the lives of citizens, mainly for the "good" of the country. i'd much rather have my personal rights than anything. if i want to change something on my car i damn well better be able to.

these systems are already in place in some cars. the new bmw's have a version of this, where the car updates bmw as to its repair status. it then notifies bmw if you need an oil change, or if something is broken, whatever. bmw then calls you, IN YOUR CAR, and informs you of the service and well as sets up an appointment for you. while it sounds very convienent, and i'm sure that 75% of the general population would love this, many will not.

why must they control our lives? down with the man!!!!! :w00t:
 

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the government sucks. they love to interfere in the lives of citizens, mainly for the "good" of the country. i'd much rather have my personal rights than anything. if i want to change something on my car i damn well better be able to.

these systems are already in place in some cars. the new bmw's have a version of this, where the car updates bmw as to its repair status. it then notifies bmw if you need an oil change, or if something is broken, whatever. bmw then calls you, IN YOUR CAR, and informs you of the service and well as sets up an appointment for you. while it sounds very convienent, and i'm sure that 75% of the general population would love this, many will not.

why must they control our lives? down with the man!!!!! :w00t:
because we fuck shit up for ourselves, gutted cats and cheating warranties.
 

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the whole cheating warranty thing pisses me off. if you fuck it up, fix it. dodge isn't responsible for your stupidity. i really hate people who do that. and those people that mod things, and then return everything back to stock to bring it to a dealer. chances are if you're modded to the point where you think there's going to be a problem with your parts, then you probably did cause the issue.
 

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I think some people get into the modding thing without realizing the potential consequences. Then something breaks and they get scared. When I take my car to the dealership I leave everything as is. If they void my warranty, then they void my warranty.
 

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I was recently talking to a good friend of mine in the mechanics field about opening up a performance shop but he said due to OBDIII he doesnt think it would be a long term good idea. which is a very good point, lets take a look at OBDIII.

when you think of OBDIII your probably thinking of just another type of diagnostic tool. but its much worse, the major car companies are planning on taking control of their cars. most cars these days have black boxes and alot also have satelite connections like onstar. now merge these two together and you have all the makings of big brothers car. this new OBDIII will not be able to be used by anyone but dealers. that means if you take your new OBDIII car to your local mechanic or local mieneke they wont be able to do anything for you, they wont even be able to put anything on your car. do you feel like putting on an exhaust? you cant, OBDIII will sense it and throw a code if not shut off your car. smog control can be controlled by satellite by the manufacturer. Oil changes, time for inspection, illegal use of the car, they will know and they will let you know they know.

So why do this? well it actually makes alot of sense. people go out and mod their car and end up fucking something up and putting it back to stock and returning it to the dealer. As of right now the dealers take a huge hit on warranty repairs, which is why they refuse everything they can. they are quick to point out ANYTHING that looks like it was changed so they can void your warranty and leave you :homework: If you think about it, this way you cant claim you didnt do anything because they will have the electronic proof something was done to your car and they can even FINE YOU for modifications you make to the car! thats bullshit you say? nope, its actually pretty sensible. In court the argument goes against the car makers saying eventually it will put most self owned repair shops out of business, however the fact that the manufacturers can garuntee the cars to stay UNmodded and also be able to provide a cop pulling you over with your exact speed in an instant as well as being able to dissable your car at the flip of a switch really gives OBDIII the upper hand in the courts.

The car manufacturers are offering a better and more secure driving system for the Department of Transportation. and if you ask my it sounds like they are gonna win.

what do you guys think?
Looks like I'll need to start buying Fords. They're bound to fuck the whole thing up.

Has anybody seen the new BMW commercial, the one where someone calls the guy driving and tells him he's ready for an oil change. Because the car told them it needed one. They brag about this like it's a good thing. :ftard: :grim:
 

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I change my own oil,so will they keep calling me? I'd flip out SHUT THE FUCK UP I ALREADY CHANGED DA DAMN OIL YA SUNOFABITCH!!!
 

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the whole cheating warranty thing pisses me off. if you fuck it up, fix it. dodge isn't responsible for your stupidity. i really hate people who do that. and those people that mod things, and then return everything back to stock to bring it to a dealer. chances are if you're modded to the point where you think there's going to be a problem with your parts, then you probably did cause the issue.
I guess you hate me then :D

I put my car back to stock down to the air filter when my car was fucked up.

The warranty bill was like $4800 which I didn't have to pay.

The problem, by the way, was NOT caused by any of my mods.
 

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I guess you hate me then :D

I put my car back to stock down to the air filter when my car was fucked up.

The warranty bill was like $4800 which I didn't have to pay.

The problem, by the way, was NOT caused by any of my mods.
im reporting you through my on-star!
 
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